NCAA All American Speaks Out

Wrestling has a way of stripping life down to the essentials: work, belief, discipline, and the decision to keep going when you’re tired and everyone’s watching. We sit down with Coach Jason Nase, a decorated wrestler and respected coach, to trace how a kid who started in third grade turned motivation into a lasting legacy through high school championships, a Ryder University career, and becoming an NCAA Division I All-American. Along the way, we talk about what actually fuels progress when talent stops being enough. 

We also get honest about how youth sports and student athletics have changed. Early specialization, private coaching, strength and conditioning, and the money behind it can create better training while also shifting kids toward a “me first” mindset. Jason shares how he fights that trend with deliberate team culture, clear standards, and a program identity that puts the unit ahead of any one athlete. If you care about coaching, leadership, or building a healthier sports environment, there’s a lot here to steal and apply. 

Then we hit two of the biggest topics in modern wrestling: the rise of girls wrestling and the life skills that come from living in discomfort. Jason explains why treating girls as serious athletes changes everything, and why wrestling can reduce anxiety by giving athletes proof they can handle hard things. The episode closes with an unforgettable NCAA “cold roll” story about trust, repetition, and hitting the right move at the only moment it truly mattered. If this resonates, subscribe, share it with a coach or parent, and leave a review so more people can find the show.

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Transcript

Welcome And Coach Jason’s Resume

SPEAKER_01 0:01

Hey everyone, welcome to Top Radio. Uh today we're gonna discuss a little bit and discuss student athletics. Today we are so lucky to have one of the most amazing coaches out there today in wrestling, um my brother Jason. He is a three-time high school district wrestling champion, two-time regional champion, two-time New Jersey state finalist with over 112 career wins. And in college at Ryder University, he was the East Coast Conference Champion, four-time NCAA national qualifier, NCAA Division I All-American with 103 division wins. He has also been inducted into the Point Pleasant Borough Athletics Hall of Fame, the Short Conference Wrestling Hall of Fame, and the Ryder University Athletics Hall of Fame. So welcome, please, my brother Jason.

Early Wrestling And The Legacy Board

SPEAKER_01 0:52

All right, Jason. We're going to have you start with a brief history of your wrestling career starting through middle school and all the way through college.

SPEAKER_02 0:58

Yeah, so I started wrestling when I was in third grade. I was introduced to the sport by you, of course, my brothers. When I was in middle school, I don't know. I figured I was pretty good at it. By the time I got to sixth grade, I was uh winning matches and, you know, kind of having fun and enjoying it. And when I was young, I went to uh Point Borough, obviously high school. I saw a board, and that board had a list of like all of Point Pleasant Borough's greats. Names were all over the place and things like that. And I feel like that's a big part of motivation. When I was young, I saw those names and I figured, well, you know, it'd be pretty cool if I could be up there someday, you know, whether it be a district champion or a region champion. But there were two spots that were empty. And one was we had never had a hunter match winner, and the other one was a state champion. So from that point, I don't know what made me want to, you know, chase that or those dreams. I guess that board had a lot to do with it. I figured maybe if I could fill my name on one of those boards, that'd be pretty cool. Power of motivation is so much a part of like any of the success that I had. I was chasing a lot of greats, you know, and I wanted to be, you know, one of those. And and I think that having that that that first, like we never had a first. I was trying to be the first to do this or the first to do that at a high school that was pretty small, but had a really good tradition and a good town. So for me, it was pretty good. You know, I had some success in it. And then being in stupid two state finals got me pretty recruited all along the East Coast. And I decided to stay at Ryder. I went to Ryder, which is a middle of New Jersey, and there I was able to do pretty well there. I was a four-time national qualifier. I won 103 matches there, and you know, I was in I'm in their hall of fame. I was an all-American my senior year. So yeah, it was it was awesome. I mean, I was able to do it at home at a place that didn't have too many. I was like, I think the the fourth all-American in their history, or fifth in their history at that time. And I think I still may be the only one that had won a hundred matches, went to the nationals four times and placed. So I don't know if that's been broken, but so that was pretty cool. And again, it's it's all about doing things that others weren't or hadn't done yet. That that was motivation for me. Like I saw I saw that at a young age, and then you know, when I got to high school, I was chasing that, and in college I was chasing that, and I felt like if I can cement a legacy somewhere, then at some point I'll be satisfied, I guess, you know.

SPEAKER_01 3:30

Sure. I I remember, you know, growing up, especially in the middle school, I remember you know, Coach Farrillo, I mean a half master, right?

SPEAKER_02 3:39

Yeah, he was our our our high school coach, Farrillo was our middle school coach.

SPEAKER_01 3:43

Yeah. So talk about like the influence that maybe some of these guys had on you know your early career and then and maybe some of the influence that they still have on you

Coaches Who Made The Sport Fun

SPEAKER_01 3:54

today.

SPEAKER_02 3:54

Yeah, so our rec coaches did a really nice job of just making the sport fun at a young age. And I felt like, you know, as a little kid, I I think a lot of us were are pretty hyper when we're younger. And it's just a good outlet to get on the mat and and and run around and just have fun and enjoy the sport. Winning didn't really become all that important to me, you know, until probably I started to get really serious about it in middle school. And we had Coach Frillo there who just made it exciting, he made it fun. He never was one of those coaches that emphasized the placing of winning too much. You know, it was important, but it wasn't like the end-all be-all. He just he always said, have fun before you go out on the mat. He smack you in the ass, you go out there and and you try to have fun. And then after a while, you you start to feel the wins and the losses, and then it starts to become important. But I think at a young age, it's super important. I had coaches and mentors that, you know, kind of they set that tone for us when we were younger. And when I got to high school, I I think it was you know, the the belief that my head coach had and and coach Gilmore. Like he he thought I was pretty special as a as a freshman, and he felt like I can maybe be pretty good at it. And that's all that's all I really needed to hear from somebody who cared. He was cool because he was like not the not, I wouldn't say he's like the most knowledgeable coach I've ever had for sure, but he was a trusting man, and I felt like his belief in me kind of set me up, set me off on a really good track. And like if I needed him, he was always there, that kind of guy. He was one of those supporting coaches that like I try to be. So you take what you learn from those guys and you you try to set that that stage for for the younger kids that you coach, and you want to make sure that it's fun first because the sport's really hard. You can lose a lot of kids early, and you don't want to see that. You know, you the kids that that quit, they're quitting for a reason. All right, it's usually a bad experience. It's not it's not you know because they're losing, it's because maybe it's they're not having fun. You know, I know losing definitely isn't fun, but at a young age, it's about being around your your friends, your buddies, and then falling in love with the sport like any, and then trying to carry that through. And as you get older, and then you take what comes with you. I was extremely lucky in in college. I think I had probably the best coach that I could have ever asked for. I wrestled for a legend. Gary Taylor at Ryder University was he's I think now third all time division one win list. He had head coach for 39 years at one school, and he was fantastic. He was the guy that that spent a lot of time with me. He was the guy that spent a lot of technical things, a lot of technical issues, did a lot of fixing. I thought I was good until I went to college. I didn't realize the jump was that drastic. And he helped me along to compete at a division one level. I found it to be really hard. Like I when I was in high school, I I pinned a lot of people. And then when I got to college, I I don't I don't even know. I think I might have pinned four people out of like 103 wins. I was barely I barely got back points. It was really hard to get. And he was the guy that always pulled me in. He was the guy that was like, hey, stay the course, you're gonna be good, and all that kind of stuff. And he he trusted me, he stuck with me, and he was fantastic in a corner, which I try to be. I hear myself a lot, even today, through him, a lot of things that he would say. How would he handle this situation? I would think about the times where I saw him mentor, and then I was able to coach with him for 11 seasons. So having him in the corner was great, and then be able to sit side by side and then just learning the logistical stuff in the office and how to run a program, how to create a culture, all of those things I think I give a lot of credit to him. He was one of the best. And like he passed about four years ago, and yeah, I think about him quite a bit. That's the kind of impact that coaches have, you know.

SPEAKER_01 8:05

Sure.

SPEAKER_00 8:06

Yeah.

Specialization And The New Youth Sports Economy

SPEAKER_00 8:07

Uncle Jason has been coaching for a long time. You were a student athlete yourself. How do you feel if there is any difference that student athletes today differ from when you were in high school?

SPEAKER_02 8:19

Yes, that that's a that's a good question because definitely, yes, they differ. And the reason being is our the whole landscape of youth sports has changed. And I think the change has to do with a tremendous amount of specialization. When we were competing, there was a lot like Brian was a three-sport athlete. They're pretty much unicorns today, they're hard to find. If you're a two-sport athlete in high school, that's pretty impressive. There's a lot of 12-monthers out of there in a sport of wrestling, and I think it goes the same. If you you make a decision at a young age now, where we never had to make those decisions, that decision is hey, am I going to be good at one? Uh I mean good at all three sports or be really great at one. And I think a lot of athletes today put their eggs into one basket. So he's got coaches we've never even had or we wouldn't even have heard of before. He's got a strength and conditioning coach, he's got a speed coach, he's got a nutritionist, you know, or or he has some sort of technical coach. You know, it's like if you're a baseball player, you got your hitting coach, you got your fielding coach, you know, yeah, all these different coaches now get in the mix. And what happens is um that specialization costs a lot of money. So I think there's parents that get overly invested because they're shelling out money, you know, to try to get their kid the best of the best. And with that, I think comes a lot of a lot of selfishness in a way. It's a lot of me, it's a lot of you. Like when I was growing up and competing, it was always about our team. Our team was always first. Today's generation, because it's changed so much, they're worried about themselves first. And I and I I struggle with that quite a bit. I try to create a team culture. We have a brand here that's called One Unit, One Family. So, like, if if anybody does something to hurt the program in a way, let's say like somebody does something, mouse off to a teacher, everybody, everybody's punished for it. We we do everything together, like so. We win together, we lose together, we bleed together, we we sweat together, and we win together. You know, so I try to create a culture that brings everybody in so that no person is bigger than the than the program itself. And we treat everybody the same in that respect. I don't care if he's my best kid, he's my captain, or he's maybe not as talented. That's hard to do. That culture is hard to do because parents are invested monetarily, so they feel like, look, I'm paying this amount of money. I want to see the best of my kid, my kid. It's that that's my kid, it's not this team. And I know Brian can remember, like, you know, if a coach told you to do something and it was for the betterment of the team, you were happy and excited to do that. Like, I I don't know, I wrestled like three weight classes in high school. They would bump me up, two weight classes, I would cut down a weight class. I was just happy that they believed in me to help. And that that I think is the drastic change that I see.

SPEAKER_00 11:17

Yeah, that's really that's actually an interesting observation because even when I again not speaking about myself, even with like when I was playing high school, very briefly in in when I was playing football in high school, I should say, it was that 12-month thing. It wasn't, hey, the season's over, we'll see you next year. It was like, okay, now we're gonna go in the weight room. And so, like, you make a really good point where it's like it's it becomes this this year-round sport and and whole

Girls Wrestling And Confidence Gains

SPEAKER_00 11:41

experience. I'm interested to hear your thoughts on girls in wrestling, because again, my father the the he he led me to believe that it was it was off the table, it wasn't even a consideration when he was wrestling himself. So, have you coached a lot of girls? You know, any thoughts on the subject overall? What you know, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 11:58

So, what my experience, we've had I've been the assistant coach for all team New Jersey, which I'm fortunate enough. And our girls program has grown exponentially in the last I'm gonna say probably five years. There are programs coming all over the place, but like I never really considered female wrestlers either. And then once I saw them start to take it seriously, and then for me it was like, all right, so they're not, they're not see the problem is we we do that. We we we talk about okay, well, this is girls wrestling. No, they're athletes, and once you treat them like athletes, it's a whole different story. And these are athletes that have the same goals that they want to win. Being able to uh coach girls in soccer to uh at a younger age, when I was younger coaching, uh it made me realize that that like, yeah, these are these are no different, you know, they have the same attitude, they want to win, they're competitive, and wrestling to me gives them an opportunity that will help them in life that will just smash everybody else. Like the confidence that you you get from our sport, and I see girls carry themselves differently after about three weeks, and I think that's special. You know, they start to walk tall, less less, you know, anxiety, they start to feel good about you know being a part of something big, and it takes a lot of guts to get out there and and compete with people watching, you know, and with these girls, I mean some of them are some of the best in the country that I've been able to compete, coach that are on our our our Fargo team, which goes out to national championships every year, and some of them are some of the best in the country, so it's like really cool to see, and I'm hoping that it continues to grow because of what it does for all of what the sport does for you and your character. Why shouldn't women have the opportunity to experience that? So, yeah, no, I'm all for it. I love to see it grow. I want more college programs, you know. So working with them is cool.

SPEAKER_01 14:03

It's interesting, Jason, that I think back at like people ask me, because I played you mentioned I played football, I did track and wrestled, and by far the most demanding of those sports was wrestling. And I don't know if it's just you know, the workouts were brutal. I think it was really more about just the one-on-one competition that you are it's just you against another human being. And and that's a big thing. But here's there's the point I want to make is that when I got into like the business world, into the restaurant business, like uh as a leader, my attitude was very, very different than a lot of people. And that attitude was like, no one's taking this from me. I'm gonna squash everybody in front of me. And I wasn't mean, it just uh the idea of coming in second or not getting the promotion or the job I wanted wasn't wasn't optional. It just wasn't. And I think, and you could tell me what your thoughts are, that this is huge for girls and really guys too. Because if you can be successful navigating a wrestling program, I think you end up then whatever else you want to do in your life, if you never forget what you learned from that experience, you can't lose. And so my question is you know, would you recommend the sport of wrestling to parents today?

Why Wrestling Creates Career Toughness

SPEAKER_02 15:28

Yeah, a thousand times over. Like, I think we need it more now than ever, to be honest. And alluding to what you just did, our sport's pretty special in in so many ways. I talk about what we do in the first 20 minutes of a practice makes most people just cave. They can't handle like even the warm-up itself. They're like, what do you guys out of your mind? And we strive for distinction. I think our sport is separate, it's different. And I feel like our our our athletes, they kind of embrace that. For occupational success, it's undeniable. You know, the confidence that you gain from competing, and again, it's look, we're talking about a battle of will, right? You could say, oh, well, this this guy's in better shape, or this guy's a little bit stronger. You can say whatever you want. It's it really comes down to a battle of wills. And when you said that, you know, you're competing against somebody else, you want to raise that level, and wrestling teaches you to do that every single time you walk into a room. You know, there's somebody trying to get you, there's somebody trying to take you down, there's somebody trying to knock you down. And when you get that experience on a daily basis, it it's you know, you you become pretty hardened, you know, like like everything else seems damn easy because there's nothing easy about it, from the discipline to the weight cut to the practices. Like I remember in college, like there were times where I would I would limp out of practice or I would crawl out, but you never walked out, right? It was never comfortable. And what we do special is we get comfortable in uncomfortable situations, and I think that's where we thrive the best, wrestlers. People say it all the time, I'm gonna hire a wrestler because they're used to adversity, right? That you have to persevere every there's so there's an obstacle at every turn, and whether it's a you know a kid coming at you, a referee maybe not giving you the right call, a parent or a you know, somebody in a crowd screaming at you, you know, or or a six-pound weight cut because you only have two hours left to get those six pounds off, or you're disciplined from you know not touching that cookie when you want to eat it, it becomes like a part of your lifestyle. And a lot of us, I think, can credit that to our success later in life. It's important for kids today now to experience that adversity, especially at a younger age, because then all of a sudden, all of those things that you thought were hard, they're not anymore. And somebody told me a long time ago, like, good athletes participate in athletics. So what happens is like, okay, we're talking about the the guy that specializes with Vincent earlier. That guy, all right, if he specializes, he only knows one thing, and that's he's gonna use all the muscles that he uses for just that particular sport. He doesn't become well-rounded, he doesn't use all those other muscles that those other sports might offer because there's different, right? We use different types of muscles for all different skill sets, and at the same time, you know, look, to me, who are you looking for as a wrestler? All right, I want that kid that's up in the bottom of the ninth with the bases loaded, and we're down by one, and I want that kid that's gonna drive in that base hit. He's gonna he's gonna be the team guy. Penalty kicks overtime. I want that kid to bury that fifth shot, that penalty kick now that's gonna win us a championship. Fourth and goal on the one, last play of the game. Is he gonna punch it in? Those are the types of experiences that allow, I think, kids to to overcome all of the anxiety that we see today, all of the depression that we see today. We need kids to continue to stay in sports, and I think wrestling provides that avenue better than any other.

SPEAKER_01 19:17

Yeah, it's funny, you know. I've literally in the in 30 years in business, have probably interviewed a thousand people easily. And I I'll tell you that anytime I saw an application, somebody was on the wrestling team, that was the shortest interview I would do that day. Because I knew that this person was going to be disciplined, was going to actually listen

Character Over Trophies And Earned Spots

SPEAKER_01 19:40

well, it was gonna work hard as hell to get to the end result that we were looking for.

SPEAKER_02 19:44

Athletics, definitely, but wrestling more exclusively, you learn a lot about yourself. Who you are, right? Who you want to become, and I think more importantly, how you are perceived. That's the beauty of it, right? So if somebody has said to me, okay, so yeah, that Jay Nase guy, you know, he's this, that, he's that, he's in Hall of Fames, he's I don't, you know, all that stuff, that really isn't that important to me, right? So what do you want to what do you want to leave behind? You want to leave behind. Oh, yeah, so that that yeah, that NACE guy. None of that matters if I'm a douchebag, right? Like no one cares, you know. So if they say, Oh man, I I I wrestled for NASA, man, he's a really good coach. He's one of there's your compliment right there. You don't need a a hundred thousand wins. I don't even know how many I have. And I think a lot of kids um they they hold people to high esteem because of what they did, not who they are.

SPEAKER_01 20:40

Do you remember this? Because this I think is another message that gets sent and it had an impact on me, and that was it was with Coach Carillo. And if you happen to lose in a match, like so you were a starter, you went out there, you lost, you had to defend your position before the next match, meaning that it was what they had with the wrestle loss. If you remember that. Yeah. So like if you lost, then anybody who else that was on the team that was in your weight class, they got a shot at you. And you had to wrestle them one-on-one, and you had to beat them if you wanted to wrestle next week. Like I think about that. There's not another sport that I can think of. It's like, okay, hey, I'm a starter. Yeah, well, big shit. You're a starter. You're only as good as your last match. Because if you lose this next one, someone else is gonna possibly take your spot. And it wasn't, and it was the thing about it was it wasn't politics. No, it was one-on-one. Shake hands, you got three minutes, go.

SPEAKER_02 21:39

Yeah, and we're missing that. You know, yeah, it's like I said earlier, it's it's hey man, varsity is not as much earned as it used to be. Yeah, you had to earn your key. When I was a junior at rider, I had I had to wrestle off first of all every year. That that was automatic. Didn't matter. He didn't care. I was wrestling off two, three guys for the spot. Whoever he brought in, you know, recruits year in and year out. And he was like, Look, he's like, My job is to find somebody that's better than you. Your job is to make sure I can. I was like, okay, man, it's gonna be pretty tough. So I would try to every year beat the kid that he would bring in, this nationally ranked high school kid or something. I'd be like, all right, let me set the stage early on this kid. Let me beat him so he knows that this 134-pound weight class, he's never gonna sniff it. I was seventh, I was ranked seventh in the country, I think my junior year, and I was still wrestling off, Brian. I was still wrestling off. Yeah, that's that's wild to me. And I when I question him, I'm like, coach, why are you making me wrestle off? Like, I I haven't proved myself, I'm a conference champion. Like, why am I wrestling off still? And he would he would he just laugh at me. He wouldn't say anything, he would just laugh at me.

SPEAKER_01 22:58

He's like off because it's in the real world, Jay, in business, that you you you don't get a chance. It's like you you could be great, you might have a good quarter, you may have a good, you know, year. At the end of that, though, what's gonna happen the next quarter, the next year? You gotta fight all the time, and that's what that lesson is to me, anyway.

SPEAKER_02 23:17

Yeah, a thousand times over.

The Cold Roll Story And Trusting Coaches

SPEAKER_02 23:20

I'll share one story with you. So when I was when I was in college, Coach Taylor, he he identified that I wasn't really scoring defensively enough. And going into my senior year, I had been in the NCAAs every year, and I had been denied, right? Top eight's all American. I hadn't had an opportunity to bust into that top eight. And I was chasing that for three three years, and I finally, my senior year, uh I'd won matches and stuff, but I'd never really put the best tournament together. Either way, no excuse. I was I was I was just you know trying to find my way still, navigate my way through the tournament. So the top 33 kids in the nation qualify, and then you wrestle it out for three days. You finish in the top eight, you become an all-American. Obviously, the national champion wins the whole thing. And Coach Taylor about the beginning of the season, he said, Look, if you want to be an all-American, he's like, You're gonna have to get better. You're good at defending, but you're not scoring defensively. So when you stuff a guy, you gotta try to score. I'm like, okay. He says, like, Brian, you know, I couldn't have worked any harder. So I'm like, what do you want me to do? So he's like, I want you to try this, I want you to try this move, and I think it'll help you. And I'm like, all right. I wasn't really too fond of like doing extra homework at this point because I was already training my you know, my tail off. And he's like, I want you to do 50 of these, they're called cold rolls. I want you to do 50 of these cold rolls every day. It's like a it's like a roll-through counter when a guy shoots in deep on you. So yeah, I never questioned him. I did 50 of them every day, right? So at the end of practice, I'm dog tired. Nice, get your 50. So my poor, my poor partner, right? He would shoot 50 times. I call rolling 50 times. He's like, I just want to go home. What are we doing here? I'm like, all right, and I'm like, I'm like 48, 49, all right, fine, 50. And he would stand there and watch the whole time. And I did that literally every day for about three months. I never hit the move before, ever. I never hit it, I never used it in a match, but I did it 50 times every day, leading into the national tournament for three months from the beginning of the season to the end. So I ended up losing my first match to the Big Ten runner-up from Ohio State 2-1. And if you lose another time, you're out. So I was facing elimination and I had 99 wins too. That was crazy. So I was like, dude, I'm not going out like this, man. I'm like, I went back to the hotel room. I'm like, I gotta figure out a way to win four in a row, otherwise, this thing is over, and then I'll feel like my career was nothing but, you know, a waste of time. So I wrestled back and I don't call upon the move ever. Like, I just I just wrestled back. I beat a kid from UPenn, beat a kid from Virginia, then I beat a kid from Penn State, and then I'm in the I'm in a blood round, so I'm in a round of 12. It's called a blood round at the NCAA tournament. If you win, you're in top eight. If you lose, you go home. So I'm in the blood round and it's one-one. I don't know if you guys ever heard of Appalachian State. Sure. Uh wrestling kid from Appalachian State, and it's one-one in overtime, and he shoots in on deep, deep on a on a single leg, and I've I call roll him. So I I hit it, right? One time in my life, I hit a move that my coach had told me to do 50 times a day, and it was the most important moment of my entire career, and that was pretty awesome. And it's a story I share to a lot of athletes because one, you better damn trust your coach, right? When he tells you to do something, if he knows what he's doing, trust him. And two, it becomes muscle memory, right? You don't even think about it, and you just naturally hit it. And I'm forever grateful for him identifying that, right? Identifying that this could be something that I might need. I might need some somewhere down the line. And for a guy who was super religious who never cursed before, I walked off the mat, and that was the first time I ever heard him curse. He said, Holy, you know what, F and Cole roll. And yeah, you know, I jumped in his arms and it was a cool moment because that moment, you know, it literally changed my it changed my life that moment. You know, it had justified my entire wrestling career, and then I knew I could put it behind me at that point. So I share that story with a lot of people. Hopefully they can take something from it, and I think that's important. So, you know, that's why we coach. I want to give back, right? I want to give back to those kids to share experiences that I may have had so they can have those experiences so they can share them with others. You know, and our sport has a lot of heartbreak, a lot of heartache, and it also has a lot of you know great moments too that I said we need to celebrate more.

Closing And How To Reach Us

SPEAKER_01 28:12

Awesome. Right on. Well, I can't think of a better way to end the show. And as always, you can always find us at um time undertentionpt on all socials. And again, always from Vincent and me. Thank you so much for listening. We appreciate it. If you've got any questions, comments, do feel free to actually leave us uh some thumb mail. We'd always appreciate it. And until next time, have a great one.